Of course gay-bashing by immigrants in Rotterdam constitutes a serious problem. But part of what I’m trying to suggest is that the “by immigrants” plays no important explanatory role in understanding or resisting it. If they had been brought up the same way but hadn’t moved to Holland (or been born into families that moved to Holland), I expect that they’d bash gay people wherever they did end up. Homophobia and male supremacy are what you ought to single out for analysis and criticism, not immigrant status.

Nobody is “throwing” North Africans or Turks into Europe. They are choosing to move there because they have reasons (usually political and/or economic ones) for wanting to leave their old country. Need it be mentioned that the kind of immigration restriction that Fortuyn ardendly supported would require overriding those reasons, at bayonet point, and placing the decision in the hands of State bureaucrats?

Do you think that if more homophobic and patriarchal people were to stay in North Africa or Turkey that would make it better for gay people and women? What about gay people and women in North Africa and Turkey?