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Randy:

This is no longer a debate about right and wrong. It is a debate about the will of the people, and the will of the people is to stop illegal immigration.

If political debate is not debate about right and wrong, then political debate must be changed. There’s no sense talking strategy until you’ve first settled on the right goal, and thus no sense talking practical politics except in light of principled convictions about how people ought to be treated. And while I’m a lot more dubious than you are that there are easy and reliable ways to determine what “the will of the people” is, I do know that if the will of the people demands immorality, in the form of an injustice against innocent people, the will of the people must be ignored, evaded, or resisted.

The best the illegals who are here can hope for is a legal path to citizenship through a guest worker program. Every other option involves their being forced to leave. Only the form of the force used differs from option to option. Deny them jobs and benefits or arrest them – its all the same. They have to go.

Don’t talk bosh. There is a perfectly valid third option:

Stop attacking peaceful immigrants.

ariadne:

I can’t believe how much we’ve all been duped into thinking it’s more important than, say, health care, securing nuclear materials, capturing OBL……

I think it’s pretty important to the immigrants.