Richard: Let “absolute pacifism” be the claim that engaging in warfare (or, in the strongest version, violence of any kind) is intrinsically wrong, always and everywhere, without exception. I don’t know if anyone could defend such an extreme view, so I’ll set it aside for now.

A-train: BTW, who makes the strongest arguments for pacificism? Who are the philosophers of pacificism?

Well, people have defended such a position, so if actuality entails possibility then people can defend it. The most famous defender of such a position is probably Leo Tolstoy (cf. for example The Kingdom of God is Within You). It was also defended by the American abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison and his comrades in the American “non-resistance” movement (cf. for example http://fair-use.org/the-liberator/1838/09/28/declaration-of-sentiments-adopted-by-the-peace-convention ). On the interpretation of both Tolstoy and the Garrisonian non-resistants, a similar view was advocated by Jesus Christ.

A lot of their defense of absolute pacifism is scriptural, and insofar as it is scriptural, it can’t be expected to carry much weight with non-Christians. But they do also make some arguments that attempt to appeal to common sense, or to the ethical sense that underwrites the New Testament injunctions.

In particular they would not at all be convinced by your claim that the defensive use of violence is a regrettable necessity in a world where not everyone is a practicing pacifist. The standard response to the standard objection is that the fault for aggression lies on the aggressor, not on those who refuse to use violence to stop him. They generally held that everyone has a moral duty to stand with the innocent and to do what you can to help them avoid or frustrate their would-be persecutors. But not a duty to do so by absolutely any means necessary; the idea is that if you practice or endorse violence as a just means of protecting the innocent you cannot consistently condemn violence against the innocent as an evil—they object to the principle that it’s O.K. to shove people around to achieve your ends, however noble those ends are. In this connection they often stressed their opposition to the idea that anyone can permissibly do evil so that good may come; however noble the end, it cannot be achieved through ignoble means.

It’s important to note that the idea here is not just that universal peace is a constituent of an ideal world but also that peace is a constituent part of a virtuous human life. If you think that a virtuous human life just consists in doing whatever is conducive to producing an ideal world, and that producing an ideal world just consists in globally maximizing goods and minimizing evils, then this position will not make any sense, with or without the Christian underpinnings. But that’s just to say that absolute pacifism is incompatible with conventional consequentialism. True, but so are lots of things, and since the pacifists in question explicitly rejected consequentialist calculation, pointing out the incompatibility doesn’t provide a non-question-begging argument against them.

I reject absolute pacifism, but I don’t think that the main defenders of the position are foolish or refuted nearly as easily as most non-pacifists tend to think.

Richard: Anon (GNZ?) – you pose a false dilemma between “surrender unconditionally vs. fight back”. Cf. Gandhian non-violent resistence.

Bertrand Russell wrote an interesting article on just this subject in 1915 (“War and Non-Resistance,” Atlantic Monthly 116, 266-74). Here are some excerpts:

Let us imagine that England were to disband its army, after a generation of instruction in the principles of passive resistance as a better defense than war. Let us suppose that England at the same time publicly announced that no armed opposition would be offered to any invader, that all might come freely, but that no obedience would be yielded to any commands that a foreign authority might issue. What might happen in this case?

Russell noted that withdrawing from international power politics would make any threat of war immediately much less likely. But even supposing that some ravenous aggressor was hell-bent on invading and conquering England,

… Some of the more prominent would be imprisoned, perhaps even shot, in order to encourage the others. But if the others held firm, if they refused to recognize or transmit any order given by the Germans, if they continued to carry out decrees previously made by the English Parliament and the English government, the Germans would have to dismiss them all, even to the humblest postman, and call in German talent to fill the breach.

The dismissed officials could not all be imprisoned or shot; since no fighting would have occurred, such wholesale brutality would be out of the question. And it would be very difficult for the Germans suddenly, and out of nothing, to create an administrative machine. Whatever edicts they might issue would be quietly ignored by the population. If they ordered that German should be the language taught in schools, the schoolmasters would go on as if no such order had been issued; if the schoolmasters were dismissed, the parents would no longer send the children to school. If they ordered that English young men should undergo military service, the young men would simply refuse. … If they tried to take over the railways, there would be a strike of the railway servants. Whatever they touched would instantly become paralyzed, and it would soon be evident, even to them, that nothing was to be made out of England unless the population could be conciliated….

In a civilized, highly organized, highly political state, government is impossible without the consent of the governed. Any object for which a considerable body of men are prepared to starve and die can be achieved by … [nonviolent] means, without the need of resort to force. And if this is true of objects desired by a minority only, it is a thousand times truer of objects desired unanimously by the whole nation.

In one sense what Russell advocates is a universal policy “unconditional surrender” — i.e. just sitting by and letting any invader that wants to take the time and effort come over and take control of Parliament and Buckingham Palace. But since just taking over the buildings would convey no actual power and no mass concession of authority, what was “surrendered” would in the end be completely irrelevant.

Brandon,

Less destructive forms of robbery are preferable to more destructive forms, but they are not more “fair.” Fairness is not a virtue that applies to the selection of victims for aggression. Whether or not some new tax scheme would be less destructive than the existing one is, dignifying it as more “fair” obscures the issue and gives moral credit where none is due.

nelziq:

If anything, it is more fair to consider progressivity with relation to consumption rather than income….

There is no fair way to pick and choose victims for robbery.

The only way to fix it is to stop doing it.

I don’t understand Drum’s complaint anyway. Here’s a straightforward, constructive suggestion from an Iraqi politico, right in the Post article:

“We don’t want to bring any advisers,” said Nasar al-Rubaie, the leader of Sadr’s legislative bloc. “We are capable to arm our security and military forces. If the Americans withdraw today from Iraq, the next day there will be security in all of Iraq.”

Maybe that’s a good idea and maybe it’s a terrible idea, but it certainly is a direct suggestion about practical steps that the U.S. military can take in the immediate future.

But I suppose if the qualifier “constructive” is intended to limit the suggestions to only those suggestions which cater to the priorities and fixed prejudices of the dominant party, that one won’t cut it after all. And that unfortunately is what it usually does mean in discussions such as this one.

You know why I hate progressive income taxes?

Because they take my hard-earned money from me against my will, and then put it to use in projects I never agreed to, many of which I find morally abhorrent.

Good thing a national sales tax will solve that problem, eh?

On a related note, cf. also No Treason 2004-12-27: Want To Know What Cops Think About You? and No Treason 2005-09-12: The Sheepdogs.

Enlightenment: Now that our side has a majority in both houses they should …

Whose side? Not mine.

Jonathan:

Now, as some have pointed out, their theology may not have been sound (do all world religions really teach the same Truth?) and the metaphysic behind the Declaration may be unprovable, but the Founders’ formulation did lay very solid ground for the Founding of liberal democracy in general, the United States in particular. Given that liberal democracies produce for those nations which embrace its ideals, an abundance of, in Allan Bloom’s words, “peace, gentleness, prosperity, productivity” and, I might add, “pluralism,” I believe such ideals, in the abstract, are worth defending with a religious zeal, as though they were the Gospel, regardless of whether they can be falsified in a scientific hypothesis as such.

Do you seriously intend to claim that a doctrine admittedly false (or “unprovable”) should be zealously defended, in the face of the evidence, if it might be politically expedient to have lots of people to believe in it?

What I make of it is that Webb is a sleazeball politician pandering to the antihistorical superstitions of his white Southern supporters. Certainly Alexander “Cornerstone” Stephens is not the best person to cite as evidence that the Confederacy did not stand for the perpetuation of race slavery.

My question is what you make of Webb’s farrago of half-truths and red herrings.

Allen:

I think the key to judging the actions of the officer at the library is what if any training, instructions and guidelines they’ve received in regards to user not only the taser but in how to best deal with situations like this.

Why?

What sort of “training” do you think they’d need to understand that it’s not O.K. to torture a man who is already lying on the ground handcuffed with repeated electrical shocks?

I have no problem with looking at the problems that pervade the institutional culture of the UCPD, as far up the chain of command as you need to go. But I’ll be damned if The “Abu Ghraib” Defense is going to put me off holding these hired goons individually accountable for their actions.