gc: “IS THERE OR…
gc: “IS THERE OR IS THERE NOT such a thing as a net-tax recipient?”
Sure.
gc: “If there is, would you agree or disagree that they are concentrated among the uneducated and unskilled?”
No, of course not. There are four major groups that net tax recipients are dispersed across:
- The indigent
- Very low-income workers
- Government employees
- Government contractors
- Old people
- The super-rich
… among others. You’ve got to remember that by far the largest entitlement program in the United States (Social Security) is both collected and dispersed regressively, that the various levels of government employ millions of people, most of whom are educated professionals and most of whom go on to perform no valuable services whatsoever, at an average salary of $56,000 / year, that the corporate welfare budget typically meets or exceeds all the spending on all low-income entitlement programs combined, etc.
Anyway, again, what has this got to do with immigration? Do you think that being net tax recipients is a good reason to forcibly expel Con-Agra executives, or retirees, or for that matter native workers with little education and few marketable skills, from the country? If not, then why is it a reason to do the same thing to low-income immigrants—instead of, say, lobbying for reform in the tax and welfare systems?
Me: “Now tell me why I don’t have the right to [disregard the opinion of 60% of the country on my own property]”
The Great Khan responds: “For the same reason I cannot move next to you and invite several hundred of my friends that enjoy target practice with their Smith & Wessons and systematically pick off every single one of you wackos. Then rightfully take over your property and claim it as mine. DUH you dolt.”
You are aware of the difference between aggression and peaceful enjoyment of property, aren’t you? I’m not talking about whether or not I have the right to use my property to kill you and steal your stuff. (Do you think that I would have that right if a supermajority of my neighbors agreed with me?) I’m asking you to tell me why I don’t have the right to ignore the opinion of the supermajority of my neighbors as to who I can invite to peacefully stay on my own property while he works in town.
It’s my property, not yours, and I’m not messing with your stuff. So where do you get the right to call up the police and impose the demands of my neighbors on how I use my property?
bolton: “If it is acknowledged that going on net public subsidy is aggression on the net taxpayer or the citizenry, …”
But why acknowledge such a stupid claim? Receiving a net tax subsidy only constitutes aggression if you have substantial control over the extraction of taxes in the first place. Some people who receive net tax subsidies (executives of large agribusiness operations, some government employees, etc.) do have some control and so can be blamed. Others (non-citizen
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